Magdalena... (virtuous_cat) wrote in anthroposophy,

Geishas are not a part of Anthroposophy!

As moderator, I wish to apologize for not up-dating in recent times and Light. However, it is up to the community as a whole to contribute, and the more the better. Thus I would like to see more correspondence made and created, even if it is merely a simple question pertaining to something not necessarily related to Steiner/anthroposophy.

I do wish to address a certain issue that has been brought to my own, individual mind *how utterly selfish that is* Recently someone thought to address the idea of spiritual science as similar to that of geishas. Correct me if I am somehow mistaken. But I don't see a correlation there. Spiritual science aims at a deeper understanding, as a search for Truth, ultimately. How is a consort, an element of entertainment, a product of the wretched patriarchy, a ways in which to obtain knowledge?
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Well, life is part of Anthroposophy. So are geishas! You just have to look at them from a different angle. The one you're not used to. I try to do that all the time. Doesn'T always work out. ;)



April 28 2006, 21:36:49 UTC 10 years ago

Ultimately everything is part of life,and natural. In very path there is a light,a certain way of doing things and acquiring knowledge,or spiritual wisdom. If one just pays attention.....those will be revealed. I think it was in the book Anthroposophy in everyday life that Steiner tells us about an artist that carved a horse out of a rock and a child that was near by said: "I didn't know there was a horse in that rock!" I guess he meant that if we pay attention we'll discover thought and decisions that are contained within our surroundings. Does it make sense? You probably know about this already anyway......
I don't know much about Geishas, but that they are Japanese and therefore (probably) Shinto or influenced by Shinto. I recently did a report on Shinto and there are many interesting connections between Shinto and Anthroposophy. That and the above explanations, however, are stretches of reasoning (no offense to the authors -- those are good attempts to find a connection where there really isn't much of one, so far as I can see). Reasoning can l connect any two ideas, so the strength of the connection is what is really important. In this case, the connection seems very weak and therefore lacking in much significance.

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April 29 2006, 20:03:28 UTC 10 years ago

Buddha said that the Universe is a gigantic net of multifaceted gems,reflecting one another. The waves that touch Florida influence those that bathe England,right? In other words:everything is connected. That you arrive at that conclusion through your intellect or heart,etc. ,it's a different story. Some need to see a connection back in history,some can feel it,some can imagine it....


Yes, of course, everything is connected -- for Gods sakes, we live in a chaotic system! But it is inconvenient/impractical, in most cases, to take everything into account. I fail to see any major/practical connection between the idea of geishas and the idea of spiriual science. Now, philosophical musings aside, do you?

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April 29 2006, 23:38:30 UTC 10 years ago

"Geisha" is a word that means "one who practices / lives by their gei (art)."
Geisha consider themselves true artists. A quote from Mayumi, a geisha, shows how seriously they take their art: "A geisha contains her art within herself, and because her body has this art, her life is saved. That is the power of art - the salvation of one's soul."
"A frequent locus of misconceptions in regard to Japanese sexuality is the institution of the geisha. Rather than being a prostitute, a geisha was a woman trained in arts such as music and cultured conversation, and who was available for non-sexual interactions with her male clientele. These women differed from the wives that their patrons probably had at home because, except for the geisha, women were ordinarily not expected to be prepared for anything other than the fulfilment of household duties. This limitation imposed by the normal social role of the majority of women in traditional society produced a diminution in the pursuits that those women could enjoy, but also a limitation in the ways that a man could enjoy the company of his wife. The geisha fulfilled the non-sexual social roles that ordinary women were prevented from fulfilling, and for this service they were well paid. That being said, the geisha were not deprived of opportunities to express themselves sexually and in other erotic ways. A geisha might have a patron with whom she enjoyed sexual intimacy, but this sexual role was not part of her role or responsibility as a geisha."
If you read this you might realize that geishas probably strengthened their astral and etheric bodies in ways that wives couldn't. Their profession was a path of one kind of liberation as i see it,at least back then. You probably have heard that there are many ways to get there. Now,i personally don't care much for geishas,but for human beings in general. I appreciate you trying to discuss this tiny aspect of history and personal development. Good luck in your quest!

That makes much more sense to me -- thank you!

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April 30 2006, 02:06:59 UTC 10 years ago

Absolutely no problem! See you around!